tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13848504.post113321531570008956..comments2023-09-09T04:03:00.560-05:00Comments on The Fortress of Soliloquy: For Jor-El so loved the world...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13848504.post-61201744950808695972018-11-21T16:05:09.868-06:002018-11-21T16:05:09.868-06:00Anyone who has endured true inner struggle has liv...Anyone who has endured true inner struggle has lived the monomythic diagram battle every couple few years, does that make thdm demi-gods? Its just life. Generalization elminates the true depth and meaning of everything.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16833918372047640653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13848504.post-65908316102133270822018-11-21T15:57:57.822-06:002018-11-21T15:57:57.822-06:00The old testament says prophecy,and a promise whic...The old testament says prophecy,and a promise which was given to Moses, and deep symbolism pointing to the coming of Christ. You say monomythic tradition. Obviously there are countless translations and interpretations however, it doesn't discredit what Christ accomplished. I find it personally odd how many schools of thought seem to seek to do this. I believe, and respect anyone elses quest for knowledge. There is much to be gained studying by studying any doctrine. But with discernment. Peace be with you.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16833918372047640653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13848504.post-74732648859967729592013-03-08T19:20:22.657-06:002013-03-08T19:20:22.657-06:00Yes, that's why I mentioned it. Jesus is, in p...Yes, that's why I mentioned it. Jesus is, in part, a riff on the Moses story, and they're both chock full of classic hero motifs.Tom Fosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796424725228769265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13848504.post-64924212213388950552013-03-08T17:37:56.421-06:002013-03-08T17:37:56.421-06:00Superman is Moses, not Jesus. I would think that o...Superman is Moses, not Jesus. I would think that obvious. Hoopermazinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16949687410945253839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13848504.post-55737203430039727572007-07-05T12:16:00.000-05:002007-07-05T12:16:00.000-05:00OK, I just got here from Dubito Ergo Sum, so I'm a...OK, I just got here from Dubito Ergo Sum, so I'm a hundred years late, but you got me wondering about Jor-El, too.<BR/><BR/>Here's what I found at http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comics/comics.php?topic=articles/superman-satan (a post entitled Superman as Satan, interesting, but Christ-figure works better).<BR/><BR/>"Jor-El - J is actually pronounced Y (the letter Yod) in Hebrew. Possible translations are: Yare'-el - fear of God, Yarah-El - God teaches, taught of God, Yeru-El - God is a foundation, Yeri-El - founded of God; God will see. (8)"<BR/><BR/>I've also found the translation "fear" or "awe" at other sites, but thought you might find this one interesting.Augie Physicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11963544083663971047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13848504.post-1158515906716936402006-09-17T12:58:00.000-05:002006-09-17T12:58:00.000-05:00One thing first: Lex Luthor as Superman's childhoo...One thing first: Lex Luthor as Superman's childhood pal was a Silver Age convention, not Golden Age. <BR/><BR/>As far as "clearing something up," I kind of have to wonder whether or not you actually read the post. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, though, and just further explain.<BR/><BR/>See, whether you're talking about Moses or Jesus or Samson or Gilgamesh or Luke Skywalker, you're talking about the Monomyth. The features of the Campbellian Epic Hero predate Christianity, predate Christ, predate Moses. The Monomyth is universal, at the heart of every major belief system around the world. So, yes, Superman's origin was absolutely based on Moses. So was Christ's. And Moses's was based on a mythological tradition that predated even the Egyptians' mythology. <BR/><BR/>The term "Christ-like figure" is shorthand; it simply defines a set of literary characteristics by using the most widely-recognized bearer of those characteristics. There are Christ figures who predate Christ (Mithras and Apollo, for instance, who I mentioned in the post), and they are all part of the larger Monomythological tradition.<BR/><BR/>The bottom line is that Superman started out with Moses and Samson fresh in the minds of his Jewish creators. Certainly Gentiles have written the character for much of the history since then, and Christian mythology has been incorporated into Superman as well (not the least of which is his Death and Resurrection). But even as Christian elements have slipped in, so have pagan elements (specifically the connection to the Sun). Yet Superman hasn't gone far from his Hebrew roots, he's just broadened his place in the Monomyth. Samson, Moses, Jesus Christ, Mithras, Apollo, and Superman are all part of the same mythological family. Superman can be (and is) a Christ figure and a "Moses figure;" most Christ figures kind of have to be.Tom Fosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796424725228769265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13848504.post-1158182715187784652006-09-13T16:25:00.000-05:002006-09-13T16:25:00.000-05:00So, this post is ten months old, but I have to cle...So, this post is ten months old, but I have to clear something up:<BR/>Superman, at least based on his origin, is Moses, not Jesus.<BR/><BR/>Baby Moses is placed in a basket which is placed in a river because his life is in danger. The river carries the basket and baby down stream where he's found and adopted by a new family that loves him and cares for him. Eventually Moses learns of his true heritage and sets out to be a protector. (Sure, it's only of his people, but it still holds up.)<BR/><BR/>Baby Kal-El (or zygote Kal-El, depending on which origin you prefer) is placed in a rocket which is fired into space because the planet is doomed. The rocket carries him to Earth and a new family who adopts him and cares for him. Eventually, Kal-El learns of his true heritage and sets out to become a protector.<BR/><BR/>The Moses theory even works for Golden Age Lex Luthor = Pharaoh, friends in childhood, enemies in adulthood.<BR/><BR/>The Jewish-ness that started Superman has slowly been worked out after sixty-plus years of being worked on by gentiles who redefined him into a more Christ-like figure.<BR/><BR/>Or, at least, those are my thoughts on "Superman as a Religious Icon" discussions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13848504.post-1153202641150102842006-07-18T01:04:00.000-05:002006-07-18T01:04:00.000-05:00Very insightful post. Well done.Very insightful post. Well done.Matilda Egere-Cooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16390677598305398024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13848504.post-1133709893325695672005-12-04T09:24:00.000-06:002005-12-04T09:24:00.000-06:00Actually, that's excellent, psychbloke. I hadn't e...Actually, that's excellent, psychbloke. I hadn't even considered that, but it fits perfectly.Tom Fosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796424725228769265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13848504.post-1133640370183916452005-12-03T14:06:00.000-06:002005-12-03T14:06:00.000-06:00Given this reading, Zod makes a great Satan - eve...Given this reading, Zod makes a great Satan - even being cast out from Heaven into the phantom zone....Psychblokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03960631911036897426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13848504.post-1133508464160251622005-12-02T01:27:00.000-06:002005-12-02T01:27:00.000-06:00Someone at work was saying this meant they changed...Someone at work was saying this meant they changed the origin. I like your explanation better.Ragnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373059673228550524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13848504.post-1133481795573189682005-12-01T18:03:00.000-06:002005-12-01T18:03:00.000-06:00Jesus is ripped, dude!Jesus is ripped, dude!Devon Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08223057696498728357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13848504.post-1133444554068759962005-12-01T07:42:00.000-06:002005-12-01T07:42:00.000-06:00Excellent post. I'm glad you pointed out that very...Excellent post. I'm glad you pointed out that very Biblical dialogue in the trailer.<BR/><BR/>It really is a spectacular teaser for the film, isn't it? I can't wait.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com